Vick = I.G.N.O.R.A.N.T
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Vick = I.G.N.O.R.A.N.T
NEWPORT NEWS, Va. -- A judge rejected Michael Vick's plan to emerge from bankruptcy on Friday, telling the suspended NFL star to come up with a better way to pay back his creditors.
The ex-Atlanta Falcons quarterback, who is serving a 23-month prison sentence for bankrolling a dogfighting operation, had outlined a plan during a hearing Friday based on the goal of returning to the NFL. Vick said he's optimistic about being reinstated after he is released from prison and that he believes he can play pro football for another 10 years.
But Judge Frank Santoro said there is no guarantee the league will have the 28-year-old player back, and suggested he start on a new plan by considering liquidating one of his two Virginia homes and three cars he had planned to to keep.
The judge said it was commendable that Vick wanted to take charge of his finances by himself, but said it had taken months of accountants, trustees and lawyers working to unravel his assets in the first place.
"No one is good at everything, but the fact, Mr. Vick, is you are perhaps extraordinary at your chosen profession, but that does not translate into financial sophistication," Santoro said.
Santoro didn't set a deadline for a new filing. A status hearing is the case is scheduled for April 28.
Earlier in the hearing, Vick told Santoro that his time in prison gave him time to think about the "heinous" act he committed, and he's realized he needs to make some changes.
"I can't live like the old Mike Vick," he told a courtroom filled with his family, friends and fiancee. "I was very immature. I did a lot of things I wasn't supposed to do being a role model."
In prison, he's filled his days by reading, writing, playing basketball and working a 12-cent-an-hour job as a janitor, he said. The experience has given him a chance to develop he called "an exit strategy."
Vick was once one of the NFL's highest-paid players, but lavish spending and poor investments, coupled with the backlash from his dogfighting case, led to his downfall. Vick filed for bankruptcy in July claiming assets of $16 million and debts of more than $20 million.
Before rejecting Vick's plan, Santoro asked him how many more years he thinks he could play in the NFL, and he said he thinks he has another decade on the field if he's reinstated.
"If I keep my body in shape, and do the right things, I think I have maybe 10 or 12 more years in my career," Vick said.
Vick is expected to be released from custody in July, and traveled from a federal prison in Kansas to attend the hearing. He could be transferred to home confinement at his eastern Virginia home by late May, and his agent testified Thursday that he hopes Vick can return to the NFL by September.
In order for that to happen, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell would have to reinstate Vick, who was suspended indefinitely after he was indicted on the dogfighting conspiracy charge in 2007. Goodell has said he would consider Vick's case after his release.
Vick testifed that he's optimistic about his chances at being reinstated, "if I do the right things, if I keep showing I'm remorseful, show true remorse."
Vick's agent, Joel Segal, said on the stand Thursday that he would try to negotiate a short-term contract filled with incentives for playing time and starts that could bring in millions. He also said Vick has agreed to plans for a television documentary that will pay him $600,000.
Earlier this week, Vick and the Falcons agreed he would repay $6.5 million of his Atlanta contract, moving closer to cutting ties with a team that doesn't want him. Segal said he hasn't spoken to teams because Vick is still under contract with the Falcons, but that he is in shape and will be prepared for his return.
"There will be determination like we've never seen before to be structured and disciplined," Segal said.
A committee representing most of Vick's unsecured creditors has endorsed his Chapter 11 plan because the alternative -- a Chapter 7 liquidation of his assets -- would not provide them any portion of his future earnings. But some other parties, including a former agent who won a $4.6 million judgment against Vick, opposed the plan.
One of his sources of income will come from a job he'll take when he is sent to home confinement. Vick will have a 40-hour-a-week, $10-an-hour job at one of W.M. Jordan Co.'s 40 commercial construction jobs, said John Robert Lawson, whose father helped start the Newport News company.
Lawson, 57, said that he has known Vick for more than 10 years and that they have been involved in charitable work together. He said Vick's representatives approached him when the former hometown hero was turned away by other employers.
"I believe all of us make mistakes, and once you've fulfilled your commitment and paid the price, you should be given a second chance," Lawson said in a telephone interview. "He's not a bad person. He made some bad choices."
Has he lost his mind?
Re: Vick = I.G.N.O.R.A.N.T
I really hope he doesn't get brought back to the league. I hope he has to live a very average life. Cruelty to animals is a much bigger deal than our society thinks it is. As though it isn't disgusting enough to kill an intelligent, caring creature just for enjoyment, such a degree of cruelty is a very strong indicator that he could be a danger to humans.
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He might be able to play 7 years, if it's not at Quarterback. I could see him signing with a team as more of a wild cat option. I really doubt anyone wants the publicity so unless his signing goes unnoticed (doubtful), then Vick can look forward to more 12 cent an hour jobs.
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He did his time. He will be back in the NFL. He will never start another game.
Any takers?
Any takers?
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I think he will start, just not at QB. With the wildcat being ran by most teams, there has to be a spot for one of the best athletes in the NFL.
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drago wrote:I think he will start, just not at QB. With the wildcat being ran by most teams, there has to be a spot for one of the best athletes in the NFL.
Unless the team is desperate for media attention, no self respecting organization would take the PR hit that Vick would bring.
He'll never play QB in the NFL again, that's my bet.
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ethan wrote:I really hope he doesn't get brought back to the league. I hope he has to live a very average life. Cruelty to animals is a much bigger deal than our society thinks it is. As though it isn't disgusting enough to kill an intelligent, caring creature just for enjoyment, such a degree of cruelty is a very strong indicator that he could be a danger to humans.
Why? he might be one of the best qbs in the past ten years. not to mention he is really fun to watch. i hope he makes it back and proves everyone wrong.
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A career 75 passer rating with two first round picks at wide receiver and a solid ground game to boot. Vick cannot pass the ball.
Make him a running back, you might be on to something.
Make him a running back, you might be on to something.
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ethan wrote:I really hope he doesn't get brought back to the league. I hope he has to live a very average life. Cruelty to animals is a much bigger deal than our society thinks it is. As though it isn't disgusting enough to kill an intelligent, caring creature just for enjoyment, such a degree of cruelty is a very strong indicator that he could be a danger to humans.
Fag*** tree hugger. where do you find these people drago?
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Mr. Reynolds wrote:ethan wrote:I really hope he doesn't get brought back to the league. I hope he has to live a very average life. Cruelty to animals is a much bigger deal than our society thinks it is. As though it isn't disgusting enough to kill an intelligent, caring creature just for enjoyment, such a degree of cruelty is a very strong indicator that he could be a danger to humans.
Fag*** tree hugger. where do you find these people drago?
1) no need for those comments, Mr. Reynolds...unless you want to get tossed.
2) the tree-hugger in question is a demi-God, so step lightly. His followers will exact their revenge by the light of the blood-red moon and fueled with the strength of Cerberus the Merciless.
Basically, watch it.
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Mr. Reynolds wrote:
Fag*** tree hugger. where do you find these people drago?
I approve. Except in our society you get punished, and then you get another chance. I still want to see PETA protest on some team though..
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Mr. Reynolds wrote:ethan wrote:I really hope he doesn't get brought back to the league. I hope he has to live a very average life. Cruelty to animals is a much bigger deal than our society thinks it is. As though it isn't disgusting enough to kill an intelligent, caring creature just for enjoyment, such a degree of cruelty is a very strong indicator that he could be a danger to humans.
Fag*** tree hugger. where do you find these people drago?
Excellent point. Well thought out and supported.
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Reynolds...wow...welcome back...but wow.
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cpschult wrote:Mr. Reynolds wrote:
Fag*** tree hugger. where do you find these people drago?
I approve. Except in our society you get punished, and then you get another chance. I still want to see PETA protest on some team though..
I have the Lions pegged as a potential suitor for Vick. What do they have to lose? You can't lose more than 16 games.
Yet.
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alot of teams could use vick. if he is allowed in the league next year, he will do well for whoever he plays with. i hope he doesn't end up on the vikings or bears. he won't do much on the lions.
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what part of your football skills does being in prison help? I remember when the falcons started being good, and it wasn't with vickie poo
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