Carroll's All Time Squad

Basing this on a Diamond back 4-4-2...

Defenders:

Outside backs:
Paul Klugeiwitz - Only played 3 years but was the best tackler to come through the program.
JJ Gutman - Probably the best overall defender to play for the program and sticking him at outside back seems like a waste but given the 2004 season, where Carroll posted 8 shutouts, it would seem wise to base the defense on the schools best defense.

Stopper:
Nate Lembke-Windler - Generally very underrated, finally got an all conference nod in his senior year but to anyone that watched Carroll, you could tell he was the glue that held their midfield and defense together.

Sweeper:
Chris Schultz - Not for his senior year but for his junior year. Again, he as part of the 8 shutout team earning second team all conference, Carroll male athlete of the year, All state and all region his Junior year

Keeper:
Andy Smith - (97 saves, 9 wins, 8 shutouts) This is the closest call. Smith only had one great season but giving up .44 goals per game and going undefeated for the first time in school history (in conference), was enough to lean his way. Keeping in mind, Stanislaw Miaskowski has one more year of play and an undefeated conference record under his belt.

Center Mid:
Attacking - Craig Carlson - The clear leader of Carroll's attack, Craig posted; 8 Goals, 7 assists, 20% Shooting. First Junior in conference history to earn Player of the Year.

Defensive - Derek Marie - Didn't have the statistics of the rest of the Carroll Midfield but that is a result of playing his position and playing behind Carlson. Derek still posted 8 assists and 4 goals in Carroll's best overall season (2008) and a second round exit in the NCAA tournament. (8 goals, 12 assists, 28 points)

Outside Mid:
Dona Lado - Carroll's all time leader in assists, posted 4 goals and 12 assists in 2008, while earning 3 all conference nominations. (11 goals, 20 assists, 42 points)

Phil Hackbarth - Holds Carroll's school records for points in a game (9). Despite the stats not showing it, Hackbarth holds the ball as well as any player to come through the program and had a hand in most of Carroll's attacks through his tenure. (13 goals, 10 assists, 36 points)

Forwards:

Joe Sikora - Second leading scorer in Carroll history, did so in the late 90's when Carroll had just started its program and had never had much of a supporting cast. Despite his team's misgivings, Sikora still reached 75 points and 30 goals.
Joe Snyder - Leading scorer in Carroll's history (32, in only three years). 76 points with a season of shooting 29%.

Honorable Mention:
Forward - Andy Prentice (still active) - In 2008 Andy scored 15 Goals, 5 Assists, 6 Game Winners, 26% shooting with 52% of shots on goal.
Keeper - Stanislaw Miaskowski - 0.83 GA per game, 80.5% Save Rate, 18-4 Record

JJ has to get a nod at sweeper as well. He was only conference player of the year at that position. The first non offensive player to win it in midwest conference yeaH?

When you make lists like that, you really can't place positions. Soccer tends to put their best players in the middle of the field. If I were doing a list, I would have four defenders, four midfielders and four attackers but not specify positions outside of that.

That said, I saw Gutman play a couple times and would be surprised if there was a better defender that has come through Carroll over the last 10 years.

If it helps I was faster than him in my prime ^^

Ollie Octagon wrote:When you make lists like that, you really can't place positions. Soccer tends to put their best players in the middle of the field. If I were doing a list, I would have four defenders, four midfielders and four attackers but not specify positions outside of that.

That said, I saw Gutman play a couple times and would be surprised if there was a better defender that has come through Carroll over the last 10 years.

Who are you ollie...and who taught you to add? I've been thinking about this a bit... and yes, you can, and probably should place positions. Carroll's most succesful seasons have been with a stopper/sweeper set up. The flat back four just wasn't as succesful for them.

My junior year we started two freshmen defensive backs (JJ and Miller). Both were better marking defenders than me, but neither of them could have played sweeper as well as I did. My point being, putting me down as a defender would be disingenuous... yes, I played defense, but I played a specific position with definite responsibilties... which were mainly making the freshman run, and being faster than everyone else.

Since the new field I would say this list will be turning over quickly. The level of soccer being played by incoming freshman is insane compared to what it was in '02/'03 (and before). Not that we were bad, but I don't think any of us could have played D2/1, with some of the incoming players (JJ, Marie, Carlson, probably more who I don't know) who could play d2/1.

I don't understand why you would want 4 fowards when most teams only play with two. If you want four fowards then we get to nominate 8 defenders and midfielders...

So why didn't Manske make this list!?!? Three time first team all conference slide tackler!

ps HEY BOT I WAS ALL STATE AND REGION MY JUNIOR YEAR TOO ****ing

on third read through list I hate not seeing karl in there

katz also was first team all conference as foward and as outside defender -- utility nod?

I would like to see Myatt in there some place. I dont think I have ever seen a better diving chest on the team.

Second Karl needs to be in there, at least honorable mention. He would be able to fill in for Craig or Derek very well and would greatly add to air superiority.

I think leaving Carl off was a mistake. Between he and Nate, they both played similar rolls but Carl was more physically dominant while Nate was better from a spacing and a marking stand point. I would never say Carl didn't do those things well, Nate just did them really well.

Air superiority? From...zee Germans?

cpschult wrote:

Ollie Octagon wrote:When you make lists like that, you really can't place positions. Soccer tends to put their best players in the middle of the field. If I were doing a list, I would have four defenders, four midfielders and four attackers but not specify positions outside of that.

That said, I saw Gutman play a couple times and would be surprised if there was a better defender that has come through Carroll over the last 10 years.

Who are you ollie...and who taught you to add? I've been thinking about this a bit... and yes, you can, and probably should place positions. Carroll's most succesful seasons have been with a stopper/sweeper set up. The flat back four just wasn't as succesful for them.

My junior year we started two freshmen defensive backs (JJ and Miller). Both were better marking defenders than me, but neither of them could have played sweeper as well as I did. My point being, putting me down as a defender would be disingenuous... yes, I played defense, but I played a specific position with definite responsibilties... which were mainly making the freshman run, and being faster than everyone else.

Since the new field I would say this list will be turning over quickly. The level of soccer being played by incoming freshman is insane compared to what it was in '02/'03 (and before). Not that we were bad, but I don't think any of us could have played D2/1, with some of the incoming players (JJ, Marie, Carlson, probably more who I don't know) who could play d2/1.

I don't understand why you would want 4 fowards when most teams only play with two. If you want four fowards then we get to nominate 8 defenders and midfielders...

So why didn't Manske make this list!?!? Three time first team all conference slide tackler!

ps HEY BOT I WAS ALL STATE AND REGION MY JUNIOR YEAR TOO ****ing

Don't worry about my lack of math, worry about my propensity to spread disease.

The field is changing more than the quality of players coming through Carroll, it is changing the entire style of play. I have only seen 3 home games since 2003, 2 on the new field but the overall talent and ability to hold possession has gone up tremendously with the new turf.

It's like watching a different school.

... If you mean being able to pass the ball and have it reach the person without it bouncing, then yes.

But I think one would lead to the other..? Better players would equal more control, which would equal greater possession..?

Are you suggesting that any school with a good field can put together easy passes? I don't notice Carroll's opponents suddenly being able to possess by simply showing up.

A lot of factors are working in Carroll's favor, the turf, the location, successful teams and players from the past few years.

Back on topic, I think Miastowski is a better keeper than Smith but it is close. Neither keeper are very good at charging off of their line but both are simply dominant at long range shots and crosses.

Ollie Octagon wrote:Are you suggesting that any school with a good field can put together easy passes? I don't notice Carroll's opponents suddenly being able to possess by simply showing up.

A lot of factors are working in Carroll's favor, the turf, the location, successful teams and players from the past few years.

Back on topic, I think Miastowski is a better keeper than Smith but it is close. Neither keeper are very good at charging off of their line but both are simply dominant at long range shots and crosses.

Any team that practices on a field that is level can put together passes on a level field. I would say Momonth had been a good example before they started sucking. Carthage or Cardinal stritch may be a better example.

I'd say the level of players being recruited is also a result of Mobley slowly being able to recruit better and better players as the program got better. (No more sprinters from track team having to be recruited)

Smith never really ever had to come off the line charging because out defense was so dominate..I imagine it's the same for Stas, so not sure how you would know.

I don't know that any keeper "needs" to come off their line continually but having it in your back pocket is a huge advantage. I remember peplinski did a nice job coming off his line. Maybe smith didn't have the time put in to be a real threat at it. Can't speak for Stas though, never noticed one way or the other.

carter wrote:I don't know that any keeper "needs" to come off their line continually but having it in your back pocket is a huge advantage. I remember peplinski did a nice job coming off his line. Maybe smith didn't have the time put in to be a real threat at it. Can't speak for Stas though, never noticed one way or the other.

The craziest part amount smith being good -- he never really practiced with us, he did workouts with erik but couldn't join us due to student teaching. Stas and smith definetly have an advantage because they both have long monkey like arms -- and are super athletic.

smith is not better than stas!!!

i think it is a good list but dont think guys that only play 3 years shold be on there. accept snyder, he has records to back it up

klugeiwiz does not and really cant be on there

Plaintiff93 wrote:smith is not better than stas!!!

i think it is a good list but dont think guys that only play 3 years shold be on there. accept snyder, he has records to back it up

klugeiwiz does not and really cant be on there

Snyder only played three years at Carroll..

Smith and Stas are almost exactly the same player.

cpschult wrote:

Plaintiff93 wrote:smith is not better than stas!!!

i think it is a good list but dont think guys that only play 3 years shold be on there. accept snyder, he has records to back it up

klugeiwiz does not and really cant be on there

Snyder only played three years at Carroll..

Smith and Stas are almost exactly the same player.

You know...that's pretty accurate. I think Smith was more dominant on corners and throw-ins but Stas gets the edge on straight breakaways.

Plaintiff93 wrote:smith is not better than stas!!!

i think it is a good list but dont think guys that only play 3 years shold be on there. accept snyder, he has records to back it up

klugeiwiz does not and really cant be on there

I get the feeling you haven't seen more than a game or two from either. Did Miaskowski even get a save in the game or two you saw? Do you even know who Smith is? Not saying I could pick either out of a room of two people but try to be a little bit more informed when you laugh at the thought of one player being better than another.

I don't even want to touch your second sentence. I feel like your parents need to take a severe beating.

Ollie Octagon wrote:

Plaintiff93 wrote:smith is not better than stas!!!

i think it is a good list but dont think guys that only play 3 years shold be on there. accept snyder, he has records to back it up

klugeiwiz does not and really cant be on there

I get the feeling you haven't seen more than a game or two from either. Did Miaskowski even get a save in the game or two you saw? Do you even know who Smith is? Not saying I could pick either out of a room of two people but try to be a little bit more informed when you laugh at the thought of one player being better than another.

I don't even want to touch your second sentence. I feel like your parents need to take a severe beating.

NO MORE PERSONAL ATTACKS OR I WILL KILL YOU

Who is this plaintiff chump calling me out!?!?

hahah just playin. I dont think I should be on the list either, mostly for lack of effort, endurance and amount of booze/ciggerettes during season. But after JJ, Nate, and Schultz (Pre-McDonalds diet, haha jp again) what other allstar defenders were there (Sorry if I missed anyone)? Especially outside backs? I will always stick with Stopka if he would have stuck around Carroll. Dont think there was a more fearless, ***hole of a back that could run the line like him. Not too many people got by him either, just have to overlook the 12 cards in a season

good call on stopka. That dude was a stud. I loved playing inside back right behind him, he loved having the ball and I hated it...it was a perfect mix.

You're right about that kid running the line as well as anyone I have ever seen. He just never stopped.

Klugie = what could have been.

drago wrote:

You know...that's pretty accurate. I think Smith was more dominant on corners and throw-ins but Stas gets the edge on straight breakaways.

If I had to guess, it would be that Smith is an inch or two taller.

I can't decide who I think is a better player, Derek or JJ. Derek is such a possession player, and is so fast, but sometimes I feel like that limits his vision a little (having the ball at his feet). I do think these are the two best players that have graduated from Carroll.

Wish Craig would show up on those practice days.

Klugie wrote:Who is this plaintiff chump calling me out!?!?

hahah just playin. I dont think I should be on the list either, mostly for lack of effort, endurance and amount of booze/ciggerettes during season. But after JJ, Nate, and Schultz (Pre-McDonalds diet, haha jp again) what other allstar defenders were there (Sorry if I missed anyone)? Especially outside backs? I will always stick with Stopka if he would have stuck around Carroll. Dont think there was a more fearless, ***hole of a back that could run the line like him. Not too many people got by him either, just have to overlook the 12 cards in a season

dude the mcdonalds diet made me the man i am!

Klugie wrote:Who is this plaintiff chump calling me out!?!?

hahah just playin. I dont think I should be on the list either, mostly for lack of effort, endurance and amount of booze/ciggerettes during season. But after JJ, Nate, and Schultz (Pre-McDonalds diet, haha jp again) what other allstar defenders were there (Sorry if I missed anyone)? Especially outside backs? I will always stick with Stopka if he would have stuck around Carroll. Dont think there was a more fearless, ***hole of a back that could run the line like him. Not too many people got by him either, just have to overlook the 12 cards in a season

haha i didnt know you were on here!

i have never heard f stopka though

Don't worry plaintiff, he's not a celebrity, if you ever meet him, be sure to give him a hug and a tickle.

Plaintiff has future murderer written all over him. Very frightening to read his thoughts.

Ollie Octagon wrote:Plaintiff has future murderer written all over him. Very frightening to read his thoughts.

Stay out of his head and we won't have these problems. You really need to get a girlfriend. Just sayin...