Favorite President

I'm curious to see if anyone says someone out of the ordinary. And to be honest I don't know a whole lot about presidents, so maybe you'll learn me a thing or two.

Mine would be FDR. I thought he did a great job considering the situation and worked tirelessly, literally to death. I've been reading a lot about Woodrow Wilson lately, and he seemed pretty interesting...definitely an idealist.

wasn't wilson the exterme racist and anti woman's rights? anyway, FDR is a great choice with the depression and all. I always like Jefferson, although he was sort of a prick as well. He did purchase a third of this country from land that had barely been visted by the whites...purchased from the french, the french hadn't visited most of that land either.

I did some brief background checking, and it seems that he did have some racist tendencies, though he was criticized by some southerners as not being racist enough. Either way, I never had heard that before (serves me right thinking of someone only based on a few years and surrounding one event). I withdraw the thought of him being even hinted at being up there amongst the pantheons.

most of the presidents, pre 1920, were racists. Obviously it is wrong to be a racist but when that is all the people of that time knew, it can't be considered surprising.

i did a paper on wilson and yes he hated women and only used them for pleasure. also was racist

Mr. Reynolds wrote:i did a paper on wilson and yes he hated women and only used them for pleasure. also was racist

what was the paper on? him as a president, or him as a racist? I'm actually quite interested in his tenure because it all seemed to be a farse until after he was out of office.

president

Babraham Lincoln because he set my people free.

what nationality are you?

I always had a soft spot in my heart for Jackson. Anyone that loses a gun fight and still becomes president is ok in my eyes.

Harry Truman. The dude had one of the if not the hardest choices to make in the 20th century. I think TR and FDR would be up there as well.

Dr. Cox wrote:Harry Truman. The dude had one of the if not the hardest choices to make in the 20th century. I think TR and FDR would be up there as well.

pray tell professor. What decision was that?

He was in the dark about the Manhattan project until he was swore in to office. Talk about rocking someones world, I wonder what his face looked like when someone explained the atom bomb to him. Then having to make the choice to use it.

I wish he was in office right now so he could clean up your living room a bit. It might take more than an atom bomb.

Seriously, at this point I dont even think a blast from the Death Star would even help clean up our living room

well at least nobody said jfk

JFK

damnit

I don't think FDR was a great president at all. I think the addition of all the government entitlement programs such as social security and welfare prolonged the depression. Recessions are normal and necessary stages in economics. For getting the country out of the Carter Era with lower taxes and free market capatilist ideals, I would say Reagan was our greatest president. I hope this next president does not make the mistake that FDR made and make the government bigger to "get us out of a recession".

Is that you keith? I didn't have you pegged for a hard core conservative. Good points though.

FDR was great in getting the country out of depression or at least move the country forward with programs, say what you want about them now, at the time they were ground breaking).

erickson wrote:I don't think FDR was a great president at all. I think the addition of all the government entitlement programs such as social security and welfare prolonged the depression. Recessions are normal and necessary stages in economics. For getting the country out of the Carter Era with lower taxes and free market capatilist ideals, I would say Reagan was our greatest president. I hope this next president does not make the mistake that FDR made and make the government bigger to "get us out of a recession".

Reagan??? Keith Keith Keith The man plunged the country into economic chaos, the rich got richer, and he had a nice hand in killing hundreds of homeless in D.C.!

RCBooba wrote:

erickson wrote:I don't think FDR was a great president at all. I think the addition of all the government entitlement programs such as social security and welfare prolonged the depression. Recessions are normal and necessary stages in economics. For getting the country out of the Carter Era with lower taxes and free market capatilist ideals, I would say Reagan was our greatest president. I hope this next president does not make the mistake that FDR made and make the government bigger to "get us out of a recession".

Reagan??? Keith Keith Keith The man plunged the country into economic chaos, the rich got richer, and he had a nice hand in killing hundreds of homeless in D.C.!

Watch out for a Datrain siting...there will be blood...

I figure as much, but I will never for the life of me understand why people praise Reagan. Keith and Datrain can get a room for that love fest.

Ryan, why would you tax the more productive people in society more than the unproductive? Productivity meaning creating jobs. without them, there would be even more poor people. why don't we tax everyone equally, get rid of government entitlements(Soc. Sec, welfare, etc), curb government spending a lot (which this president is not doing I know!), and get back to people taking care of themselves. Everyone has the right to start a business, and get the same tax breaks as the rich. The rich pay most of the taxes anyway. Reagan tanking the economy?!?! are you kidding me, he set us up for the greatest 20 year stock market growth in history. i don't even know how you can argue that.

RCBooba wrote:I figure as much, but I will never for the life of me understand why people praise Reagan. Keith and Datrain can get a room for that love fest.

sorry no gay love allowed under the reagan administration

erickson, meet datrain...datrain..meet erickson. Apparently you two are the right wing bullies on the block. BTW, if someone from the Nazi SS asks you to join, keep in mind they are racist bastards and just because you believe in what they say politically, doesn't mean they aren't after mass genicide.

continue your reagan ball washing.

Under his presidency some things did get better economically, but the gap between the rich and the poor widened significantly, and the national debt either tripled or quadrupled, I can't remember. And I realize that many people take advantage of the systems put into place to help out people in need, but that doesn't mean the country should turn its back on them completely. Otherwise, Drago's Nazi reference becomes a lot more accurate.

I don't see how the Nazi reference could be accurate in any manner, actually. but I am also 75% moron so maybe I just need an explanation

oh you get it...both reagan and the nazis were extreme rights...that's where the similarities end. It's always nice know that guys like charles manson were extreme lefts...i think...

Keith, you have many character strengths, such as your velvety scrotum and larger than normal penis (I slapped it). However, I'm disappointed in your political views. Not that you like Reagan, but that you seem to have done no critical thinking about how things work in the real world rather than how they work on the pages of an economics textbook.

What is your view on the bail outs going on right now? I love it for the petty reason that it gives me another opportunity to point out how blind people are to the fact that both parties do pretty much the same stuff while in power and then berate the other side for doing what they themselves have already done. I'm a democrat that will readily admit the New Deal was a band-aid until the war saved us, but the bail outs are no different. Republicans can spin it or justify it however they want but the bottom line is that its government stepping in just like the New Deal.
Alright, now I'm worked up. I strongly hope that you have a problem with corporate welfare and subsidies just as much as you dislike social programs, because businesses get more welfare than individuals do. If you truly want a free market you should dislike Bush and McCain just as much as you dislike Clinton and Obama. Vote Libertarian, but don't try and tell me that Republicans don't give money out to every company that wants to harvest timber, extract resources, operate an airline, serve as a mortgage lender or investment banker, build cars, operate overseas, or royally screw up the environment. Seacrest out.

Wow, have you read a book before? You seem like you have. Was it a good one?

Ethan, i thank you for the big **** shout-out! those never get old. I'm not comfortable with the bailouts right now. I don't like the government getting involved at all. I do agree with your point that neither republicans or democrats should be subsidizing any companies at all. I don't think there should be a "windfall profit tax" either though. I think the root of this whole thing is housing prices, and how they are still too high. but these government interventions are keeping housing prices higher than they should be. if prices dropped another 15-20 or so, i think a lot more people would be in a position to start buying houses again. I don't feel too sorry for people who can't read their loan contracts and not know that their "interest only" mortgage was interest rate sensitive. why should everyday people who pay their bills on time help bail them out? I'm no economic expert by no means, but i'm pretty sure reaganomics beats obomanomics (economic socialism)everytime. Can you really tell me raising cap gain and dividend tax would be a good thing right now? and adding government health care to the spending? why don't we give out 50 more billion dollars in refunds, will that work in the long run? Entitlements kill companies, look at GM.

These bailouts are definitely making me uneasy. But then again you have to wonder how quickly the freefall would commence if nobody is there to prop up the idiots that put themselves in this situation.

As for political parties, when I finally begin pursuing my PHD for Politics, it will be my thesis that the only way to save the downturn of our modern political system will be to destroy the 2 major parties. They are both just a bunch of waste at this point.

erickson wrote:I don't think FDR was a great president at all. I think the addition of all the government entitlement programs such as social security and welfare prolonged the depression. Recessions are normal and necessary stages in economics. For getting the country out of the Carter Era with lower taxes and free market capatilist ideals, I would say Reagan was our greatest president. I hope this next president does not make the mistake that FDR made and make the government bigger to "get us out of a recession".

Keith, I just reread this thread, and the irony of this post was just too much for me to resist highlighting it.

i agree that the above quoted sentence is quite ironic in nature.

Maybe its just me, but i don't see the point you are trying to make here ethan. Yeah, I don't like what bush and company did. I agree republicans are selling out to the public. its sad. ethan, datrain are you stock market investors at all? just curious.

erickson wrote:Maybe its just me, but i don't see the point you are trying to make here ethan. Yeah, I don't like what bush and company did. I agree republicans are selling out to the public. its sad. ethan, datrain are you stock market investors at all? just curious.

The million dollar question. The market has been just brutal, I'm glad I didn't have anything buy my 401(k) in it.

I'm sold. I read a few chapters on this, saw a silly history channel thing on it...

ANDREW JACKSON

Como???